richrua Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Hi guys. What bogies do the Dutch gen vans sit on ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 werkspoor droopy looking yokes. I don't know of any cosmetic bogie sideframes that are commercially available (EMc?) or what the most suitable wheelbase chasis donor is. 8'2 and change wheelbase. http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/content.php/262-Werkspoor-Dutch-GSV-Van-Drawings - but be careful of these drawings. I scratchbuilt a model using these dimensions, and it looked like an ogre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 richrua Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 Thanks Glenderg. Thought they were unusual looking things. Thanks for the details. Unfortunately I have a sudden weakness for gen vans once I realised there were none in my formations. They are very interesting tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 John-r Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Thanks Glenderg. Thought they were unusual looking things. Thanks for the details. Unfortunately I have a sudden weakness for gen vans once I realised there were none in my formations. They are very interesting tbh �� Like yourself richrua, I have a weakness for the Dutch vans,unfortunately I would not have the skills To build,scratch build or paint one. However if any of the irm team are watching what are the chances Of both versions being produced at some stage, seeing as most trains needed a Dutch van. Sorry to go off topic a small bit on you richrua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Railer Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Thing is, with gen vans, to go into production you would want to be confident that you can sell around 1,000 units. Most people would probably buy 1 or 2 maybe 3. But with the like of a wagon run you have alot of people buying 12 or more units each. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) Like yourself richrua, I have a weakness for the Dutch vans,unfortunately I would not have the skillsTo build,scratch build or paint one. However if any of the irm team are watching what are the chances Of both versions being produced at some stage, seeing as most trains needed a Dutch van. Sorry to go off topic a small bit on you richrua. I was happy enough with this RTR one from SF. Now what I would really like are a few of the earlier heating and luggage vans with the nice shaped tumbledown. Edited September 25, 2016 by Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) On 9/25/2016 at 7:31 AM, Railer said: Thing is, with gen vans, to go into production you would want to be confident that you can sell around 1,000 units. Most people would probably buy 1 or 2 maybe 3. But with the like of a wagon run you have alot of people buying 12 or more units each. Interestingly on Gerry Conmy's Youtube channel at 27:50 I came across a MkII rake with what appears to be a Dutch van at either end. Any ideas why this might be or am I just talking Double Dutch here? Edited September 3, 2018 by DiveController 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dhu Varren Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 The train is comprised of Mk 2a & b coaches which, being ex BR, have a different electrical system to the Mk2d coaches of IE. Three Dutch Vans were converted from steam heat to electrical generators to run with the Mk 2a & b coaches. Presumably two Dutch Vans were required in the formation in the clip, due to the number of coaches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brendan8056 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I used the Chris Leigh blue pullman trailer bogies on my scratchbuilt Dutch van about 25 years ago. They looked right, are to 4mm scale and based on a continental design. I would assume the Kitmaster blue pullman trailer bogies would also be suitable. Both are long out of production but can be found secondhand. You could always ask Bachmann if they could sell you a couple? I think they are doing a rerun blue pullman at the moment, so may have some left over.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DJ Dangerous Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 What differences are there between original and rebuilt Dutch Vans, both cosmetically and technically? I see above that three were converted from GSVs to EGVs! Are they the three which became known as the "Rebuilt" ones or were the rebuilds and the GSV / EGV conversions two completely different things? When were they converted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Internally, different generators. Externally, apart from livery changes, the rebuilt ones had those ugly "appendages" stuck onto the ends. Gawd knows what was in them, but it doesn't matter - you can't see inside them! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DJ Dangerous Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Yeah, those "shoulders" really stand out! Was the GSV to EGV conversion the "rebuilding"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, DJ Dangerous said: Yeah, those "shoulders" really stand out! Was the GSV to EGV conversion the "rebuilding"? Yes, it was. They re-did the livery to "tippex" style too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DJ Dangerous Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, jhb171achill said: Yes, it was. They re-did the livery to "tippex" style too. Unfortunately, my SF model has the dual white stripes but not the big shoulders. So it's kind of a Dutch mongrel. Was it three or four that were converted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said: Unfortunately, my SF model has the dual white stripes but not the big shoulders. So it's kind of a Dutch mongrel. Was it three or four that were converted? I think it was three, with the other seven remaining as they were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DJ Dangerous Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, jhb171achill said: I think it was three, with the other seven remaining as they were. Those three being for the sixteen (was it sixteen) Mk2's from Vic Berry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Niles Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 4601, 4602 and 4603 were the three conversions - they were retained a little while after the mk2as were scrapped for use on airbrake transfers, pretty sure I remember seeing them at Heuston for this purpose. Two of them ended up on the 'Speno' train around 2006(?) - I think this was a track recording vehicle rented prior to the Sperry but my memory's foggy there. I think it may have only been for one season. I think they were also renumbered in the 11XX series by this stage, as were a couple of the unconverted vac vans, principally for transfers in the Dublin area. Edited November 18, 2020 by Niles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DJ Dangerous Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Niles said: 4601, 4602 and 4603 were the three conversions - they were retained a little while after the mk2as were scrapped for use on airbrake transfers, pretty sure I remember seeing them at Heuston for this purpose. Two of them ended up on the 'Speno' train around 2006(?) - I think this was a track recording vehicle rented prior to the Sperry but my memory's foggy there. I think it may have only been for one season. I think they were also renumbered in the 11XX series by this stage, as were a couple of the unconverted vac vans, principally for transfers in the Dublin area. Speno sounds like something you made up just to troll idiots like me who don't know any better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Niles Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said: Speno sounds like something you made up just to troll idiots like me who don't know any better. I was beginning to question if I'd imagined it myself... thankfully the Wanderer has recorded it, if something modern-ish isn't recorded on that site it didn't happen! https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/2006-photos/Speno-Track-Recording-Car/ For the carriage nerds like me, it's also notable that in renumbering to 11XX they (partly) regained their original numbers from their pre-mk2 steam heating days... 1162 née 4601 née 3162 etc... Edited November 18, 2020 by Niles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Robert Shrives Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Have to say I got the original dutch van from SF and mugged up the "apendages" and a new end from plasticard and a jouef MK3 donor for the corridor connections and a load of filler - got as far as the grills which to me looked like MK3 Gen vehicle spares - but can you get then on their own - so now looking at how to use suitable plasticard made grills - but having made a start with the Enterprise have enough grill material from the power car bodies - to last a long time or several attempts, this thread could well tempt be to get it out of the naughty toys box for another go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dhu Varren Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 If all else fails, scratchbuild one. The van is entirely made from plastic sheet, rod and strip. The only commercial parts used, were the two Hornby brake van roofs used to form the basic roof profile, the gangways are by Jouef, and the buffers are by MJT. As shown, the EGV is running on Jouef Mk 3 bogies, but has now been fitted with correct pattern bogies from Silver Fox. The pictures show the completed van, firstly in bare plastic, then in Halfords grey primer, and finally fully finished and painted. 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Robert Shrives Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Dhu Varren - It was the build report and esp grills on yours that inspired me so thanks for showing again! Sadly I guess the sales of rtr fall on the same alter as the weedspray / GSV but by an even bigger margin ... Even a pregrouping British 2-4-0 will sell more if latest news is to be believed ( off topic I wonder if the chassis will be of bigger help to bashers and scratchers out and about / on here .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dhu Varren Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 16 hours ago, Robert Shrives said: Have to say I got the original dutch van from SF and mugged up the "apendages" and a new end from plasticard and a jouef MK3 donor for the corridor connections and a load of filler - got as far as the grills which to me looked like MK3 Gen vehicle spares - but can you get then on their own - so now looking at how to use suitable plasticard made grills - but having made a start with the Enterprise have enough grill material from the power car bodies - to last a long time or several attempts, this thread could well tempt be to get it out of the naughty toys box for another go. Robert, it just came to me that recently I purchased from Model Irish Railways on ebay, some assorted brass etches of various coach parts. Included in these were some Mk 3 EGV vents. It might be worth contacting Ian McNally at MIR to see if he still has any. David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DJ Dangerous Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 The Dutch Van kits sold by DC Kits, are they Silver Fox kits or IFM kits or whose kits are they? What is required to complete them? Are they body and chassis only, no bogies or details like buffers etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 flange lubricator Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said: The Dutch Van kits sold by DC Kits, are they Silver Fox kits or IFM kits or whose kits are they? What is required to complete them? Are they body and chassis only, no bogies or details like buffers etc? I got one recently from DC kits but it was just the body I think that’s all he had left , I got the bogies from silverfox and made the chassis myself. Edited November 25, 2020 by flange lubricator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said: The Dutch Van kits sold by DC Kits, are they Silver Fox kits or IFM kits or whose kits are they? What is required to complete them? Are they body and chassis only, no bogies or details like buffers etc? I don't know where DC source them from. Silverfox didn't release a rebuilt version. I got basic kit from IFM last year but where Tom got it from I know not. Since had to make some chassis box gubbins for under the chassis. I only bought the kit to have something to run with my Bachmann mk2a intercity coaches. I put sprung buffers on mine and boiler tanks inside. Edited November 25, 2020 by Noel typo lexdysia and predictive text 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 flange lubricator Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Noel said: I don't know where DC source them from. Silverfox didn't release a rebuilt version. I got basic kit from IFM last year but where Tom got it from I know not. Since had to make some chassis box gubbins for under the chassis. I only bought the kit to have something to run with my Bachmann mk2a intercity coaches. I put sprung buffers on mine and boiler tanks inside. Great job Noel , you don’t need boilers on these as they were removed during the conversion to EGV . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, flange lubricator said: Great job Noel , you don’t need boilers on these as they were removed during the conversion to EGV . Oh great I'll rip them out Cheers (in jest) But I'll keep them in the RPSI original dutch GSV Edited November 25, 2020 by Noel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 flange lubricator Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Noel said: Oh great I'll rip them out Cheers Sorry about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, flange lubricator said: Sorry about that No Problem. I just realised I may have put kerosine into B135 instead of diesel Hopefully the dutch will keep RPSI customers warm and happy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 flange lubricator Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Noel said: No Problem. I just realised I may have put kerosine into B135 instead of diesel B135 is an EMD 2 stoke diesel it will burn it anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 murphaph Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 hours ago, flange lubricator said: I got one recently from DC kits but it was just the body I think that’s all he had left , I got the bogies from silverfox and made the chassis myself. How much did you pay for the body only if you don't mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 flange lubricator Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, murphaph said: How much did you pay for the body only if you don't mind me asking? As far as i remember about £30 I ordered and paid for the complete kit and they contacted me too say they had no more bogies so I asked them to supply the body only which they did and organised a refund for the difference , I looked at the IFM one but thought the buffers were too high so I got the DC kits one instead . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NIR Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) DC Kits are not into stocking bits and pieces these days, more along the lines of if it's gone it's gone. Edited November 25, 2020 by NIR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, flange lubricator said: . . . I looked at the IFM one but thought the buffers were too high so I got the DC kits one instead . Agree . . . and they were too big, tonka tank big. I substituted the 3D buffers with sprung metal buffers from Peter's spares. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lough Erne Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just seeing this now. For info. the earlier type of Dutch Van that supplied steam are fitted with 2 boilers rather than 3. On the model the boiler visible through the third window (the window with 'rpsi' underneath) is a storage area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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