murrayec Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Hi All Here is the previous drawing revised with the wiring layout and colours from the NMRA specification. The Clinch connectors are not available here so I have changed them to banana plugs & sockets. The skyboard has also been added and here is the drawing in pdf format Modular OO Revised Taple Layout - Sep 21 2013.pdf murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Hi Dave Here is that video of a guy doing the track on his modular layout;- murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Thanks Eoin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hi all Another item;- Each individual layout whether one board or several, would have connection wires for a power booster and controller for the main line use only. murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinvara-Train Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hi All Here is the previous drawing revised with the wiring layout and colours from the NMRA specification. The Clinch connectors are not available here so I have changed them to banana plugs & sockets. The skyboard has also been added [ATTACH=CONFIG]9753[/ATTACH] and here is the drawing in pdf format [ATTACH=CONFIG]9755[/ATTACH] murrayec Hi Eoin if you do it right you don't need connecting insulated fishplates Best Regards Walter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hi All Here is the previous drawing revised with the wiring layout and colours from the NMRA specification. The Clinch connectors are not available here so I have changed them to banana plugs & sockets. The skyboard has also been added Might be worth showing the skyboard on the plan view, just to remove any ambiguity, even though it's fairly obvious and everybody thinks in third-angle these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hi All Here is a revised drawing showing the skyboard on the table plan;- And a PDF format drawing;- Modular OO Revised Table Layout - Sep 22 2013.pdf Walter The idea of the insulated fishplates is to allow individual layouts to run separately if required- we could have all layouts connected as one or a number of layouts running. This is done by just disconnecting the mainline leads and isolating the layouts. murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Hi A couple of things came up in discussing the Modular Layout Drawings at the BR show last week and I thought of posting them up for all to see; Board Size. The drawings indicate a standard size of 1200x610mm- but the board can be any length the modeller desires as long as its connection plates conform to the standard. Though 1200x6100mm boards are easy to transport! 610mm width is the standard, but some modellers may require wider boards to complete a layout with side tracks. This can be done as one board to whatever size is required or by adding 610mm width boards on the sides- as drawn and indicated in a previous post above. The modellers should stay within 600mm or 1200mm lengths when calculating out their board length. I reckon sizes outside these lengths will cause problems when setting up a loop layout! Though if someone insists on another size outside of the module standard, the can make a insert board to make up the difference elsewhere in the loop. Note; In a loop layout an equivalent length of track is required as per the modellers layout- this can be achieved with other modellers creations or community track. If there is not enough boards to create a loop the layout can be run end to end. Track Curve & Corner Boards. On the above drawings I have indicated the minimum size corner board using standard curves- radius 2 & 3. If a modeller decides to build a corner layout the board and track curve can be any size they desire, with the provision of connecting plates conforming to the standard. The same note as above applies regarding equivalent track. Transition Boards. The transition board I have indicated on the above drawings is 1200mm long- a transition board can be smaller if the modeller wants as long as the track curves work and does not cause problems with the running of trains through these curves and again the board conforms to the standard- as in connecting plate and track location. Also As discussed with Jack last week, we should set a standard for the track scenery;- width and type of track ballast, a standard colour or type of grass finish adjacent the track and the season the overall layout is in. I suggest summer, when the trees are green! Scenery away from the track is up to the modeller's desires. murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinvara-Train Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 any news????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 any news????? Hi I'm up to my eyes working on DART orders- I have had to take a rest from everything else. Hopefully soon I will be back to the modular idea, also I believe Dave is up to his eyes in Christmas baseboard orders! murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 In the current state of things that sounds like damn good news Eoin. It's great to see all the hard work yourself and Dave are doing is showing some reward. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'm now booked out till February! I will be making 4 modules in the new year and should have them complete with track and scenery for February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Dunboyne Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I will have something very interesting for modular layout enthusiast I hope to present it just before Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinvara-Train Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I will have something very interesting for modular layout enthusiast I hope to present it just before Christmas let's see now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 Hi Myself and Baseboard Dave were discussing the drawings over the last few days- We have decided to revert back to 600mm for the depth of the boards in the drawing, this is because not all raw material boards are supplied with clean-n-straight edges so to allow for economics in getting 4 tops from the one sheet- its best to allow for a bit of trimming. I will update the drawing over the next few days Any comments murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Hi Myself and Baseboard Dave were discussing the drawings over the last few days- We have decided to revert back to 600mm for the depth of the boards in the drawing, this is because not all raw material boards are supplied with clean-n-straight edges so to allow for economics in getting 4 tops from the one sheet- its best to allow for a bit of trimming. I will update the drawing over the next few days Any comments murrayec We are also going to produce at least 4 boards for next year, modelling Dun Laoghaire fully completed. That's the plan at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven-E Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Hi all, sorry for coming in late. Just haven't got started on this forum until now. I am one of the guys at the T-Trak exhibit at Blackrock and Dun Laoghaire shows. Although I am mainly an N-scale guy, I would like to participate in a large scale modular community, and if it has to be OO, then I'll work with that too. Having read through the thread now and the various proposals, I am a bit surprised that new modular standards are discussed instead of picking existing ones like Fremo or the N-Trak. Although it sounds like what is labelled as "Free-mo" sounds like N-Trak but I read much about either. Please don't invent something new. Use the experience that is built into the existing standards. Using existing standard allows us to meet up at international modular meets. I would like to see more thinking of what we want to do with these modules. It sounds like most people want to do diaramas and the DART line is one suggested theme. The rectangular shape of the modules is good for making sure that the back side lines up to allow for continuous running of the trains. This setup would be perfect for showing at exhibitions with minimal operational labour requirements. On the other hand, Fremo modules are not designed for continuous running. These layouts are all end-to-end with a few or many sidings. Focus is on the operational side with complex stations, time tables and shunting. I attended a Fremo meet in Sweden that ran over 4 days and the public was only invited in for a few hours on Saturday morning. This is very different to the Irish and British shows where the focus is on displaying beautiful layouts with minimal operation. I visited a Fremo-N-scale meet in Stuttgart a while back. The participants were separated in a DCC setup and an analogue one. The DCC people operated the trains and followed them around the layout. The DC people operated the layout through the stations and sent off the trains to the next station on the line. The operation modes were very different. Once we agree on what we want to do with a big modular layout, it will be easier to decide on a standard. And while I am at it, I have to declare that my main interest is in operation of trains more than landscaping. DCC comes with this wish of course. The T-Trak group of the SDMRC was set up to allow members practice landscaping in a manageable size. We did discuss scale but agreed on N scale only because of the size and portability. I hope this helps to get focus in the discussion. / Sven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Hi Sven, Welcome to the forum. We are still at the planning stage and welcome your experienced opinion. At this stage we need to meet with everyone interested progressing this further to put a plan in place and move this forward. Can everyone interested in this and that wants to contribute let me know so we can arrange a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Hi Sven Great to hear from you We have based the drawings for the boards off the NMRA standard (as far as I know Fremo boards are based on this). There has been some mods due to availability of items here- mainly the connectors. Otherwise the boards should connect with international standards! Please PM me if we have made major blunders and this can be corrected. As you say Fremo was set up for running trains and I posted a pdf above for all to view and discuss. Our design idea was concentrated on having a modular two line main track that runs throughout the system and side tracks which would be controlled by owners of individual modules. The drawings indicate that the system can be run as a loop, or divided up into separate end to end layouts, or as one large end to end layout. As Dave suggests we should meet with interested modellers to discuss, hatch plans and solidify- In the new year we will have a 4 to 6 board sample layout to show all and this is will be the time to do this. murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven-E Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Great! Looking forward to meeting up with all of you to discuss and see your boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinvara-Train Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I will have something very interesting for modular layout enthusiast I hope to present it just before Christmas any New's ??????????????????????????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Dunboyne Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Still waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinvara-Train Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Still waiting. wait for?????? better weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Jasus Walter a German with a sense of humour! Maybe WW11 was worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted April 13, 2014 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Hi All We have been very busy over the last few months and not had a chance to progress things, so here is one.... David Holman, in his blog today was discussing layout display lighting, its something I was thinking about on the Modular System and he prompted me to do this. Here is a sketch of a lighting standard system that could be used. I do not think it should be mandatory, up to the modeller to decide. The idea is a post up from the back of the layout and out over the layout with a bracket fixed to take clip on lighting. I reckon only one is needed per board, as two lamps can be fixed to it. I did a quick search and found Ikea have a clip spot lamp 'Lagra' (no bulb) for €3.50, the lead is 2m long and it can take an LED bulb. The standard is fairly simple construction with off the shelf parts- MDF, 22mm metal electrical conduit with fittings to suit, and screws n bolts. Fire back comments if anyone has ideas.. I am just completing a drawing for my Seapoint Martello Tower layout, which is based on three boards- two transition boards and the feature board. The transition boards throw the track to the back of the feature board so that the Tower and a bit of water can fit to the front. I will post up a drawing when complete murrayec Edited April 14, 2014 by murrayec Attach broken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Eoin, That attachment is not opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Eoin, That attachment is not opening. Hi Dave Thanks, I thought there was something funny about it as it came in as text! Scoot back a page and see murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Looks good, I have started on 5 modules. Have the component parts made. Just have to assemble them and make the legs. I have been trying to do a bit in with other orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 Hi Dave Excellent, I've posted up some views of the Seapoint Martellow Tower on my workbench thread - http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/2346-murrayec-s-Projects?p=49204&viewfull=1#post49204 Here is a taster... murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Eoin, i bought a heap of those ikea lights for task lighting. They're not led, and pretty crap for doing work, but i reckon they'd be spot on for a layout. Whats the dim from mounting point to finished layout level, and i'll do a mock up with them? Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 Eoin, i bought a heap of those ikea lights for task lighting. They're not led, and pretty crap for doing work, but i reckon they'd be spot on for a layout. Whats the dim from mounting point to finished layout level, and i'll do a mock up with them? Richie Hi Richie Great, the dim is approx 900mm from the baseboard top to the MDF light mounting bracket. murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Dunboyne Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 After many, many, many, many, many months finally first 3 boxes for the new modular layout are ready I will set up a new topic to share the progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Hi All Here is an updated pdf drawing with the display lighting added on the one sheet;- murrayec Modular OO Layout-01 Jun 25 2014 A3 Sheet 1.pdf Edited June 25, 2014 by murrayec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WT CLASS 2-6-4T No. 4 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Eoin, the correct dimensions for the electrical conduit is 20mm and is readily available. The smaller size conduit, 10mm and 15mm, is not readily available and maybe more expensive. Here's a link to conduit sizes http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/dam/public/bline/Resources/Library/catalogs/bolted_framing/strut_systems/rd-rigidsteelconduitimc.pdf Walter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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