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Thread: Goods train composition in the 1940s-70s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin R View Post
    Thanks John that brings me on to another question tank cars where these for Milk or what did they carry, I am trying to get a picture in my head as to what type of tank car was used, there must have a been a difference between diary products and oils/chemicals.

    The period I am interested in is up to the mid 1960's or just up to the introduction of the bulk carrier fleets of container wagons.

    This is because I happen to like the Model A, B and C diesel locos that where introduced around that period and so I could just about run Green/Silver locos.
    Colin

    I'll leave a "Southern" expert to answer regarding the oil traffic. There WAS a notable oil train which went to a halt on the Bangor line, right up to the 1960s - Tillysburn rings a bell - for Shorts' aircraft testing needs? General oil traffic was sparse in the North.

    I think I am right when I say that tankers were never used (as they were in GB) for the bulk carriage of milk. That said, many "Creameries" had sidings, North and South, but I suspect mainly for the export of butter, cheese etc, rather than the milk coming in. My Northern farmer cousins sent their milk away in churns - lorries, of course, in the Black North! I must have a look at the appendices to see if I can get clues re milk traffic!

    Thanks for provoking some thought on WHY a train ran at all!

    Leslie

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    That's OK Leslie

    All I want to do is to make sure that I enough of the right type of Irish good stock for the layout.

    For me I hope to build up at least two good's trains of thirty plus wagons a piece, now while I am not in to tail chasing, it is important to get a balance of goods to passenger trains.

    Not forgetting a long cattle train as well and then a short local pick up goods as well I should have a fair bit of stock to use.

    Just working out the above I think I need to acquire at least one hundred wagons and vans.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Colin R View Post
    That's OK Leslie

    All I want to do is to make sure that I enough of the right type of Irish good stock for the layout.

    For me I hope to build up at least two good's trains of thirty plus wagons a piece, now while I am not in to tail chasing, it is important to get a balance of goods to passenger trains.

    Not forgetting a long cattle train as well and then a short local pick up goods as well I should have a fair bit of stock to use.

    Just working out the above I think I need to acquire at least one hundred wagons and vans.
    Yes, IF you have room, you almost have a duty to run proper length goods trains.

    I have twenty cattle wagons so that I can run a realistic Enniskillen Shipper - mainly my GN ones but a few SLNCR ones for variety.

    That said, and as others have related, the short "rambler" (anglice "pick up") goods reminds us that at this time most things made a journey by rail to their eventual destination - so flats with a new tractor, or baler, or car make a nice break from endless vans?

    Leslie

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    The goods trains featured in the following IRRS archive films can also act as a useful guide if wanting to model particular routes.
    Mallow - Waterford recorded in the late 1960s;

    Limerick Junction, early 1970s shortly before block-freight workings became more prevalent;


    Tank wagons on traditional goods is an interesting topic. There were two routes in particular which tended to feature a higher quantity of tank wagons amongst a generic rake of traditional loose-coupled stock compared to your 'average' Irish goods train, these being oil traffic on the Foynes branch goods and the Dublin-Sligo goods, the tanks usually marshalled into the centre of the formation. The oil traffic on these routes later developed into their own dedicated block-trains in the late 60s and into the 70s, as traditional wagon stock became less common. The Sligo one was interesting, when new tank wagons came on stream they were still, for a time, marshalled with loose-couple stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    Great pics on that link. Thanks for posting. Pretty much what I remember before boring liners and fitted bogie freight arrived.



    Would the guard in the brake van not have applied the brake stopping the uncontrolled run back of the rear half of the train?
    A 20 or 30t van would not have had snowballs chance in hell of stopping a heavy train once the coupling broke and the train started to roll back down the 1:70? gullet.
    John


    If I was going there I would'nt be starting here.

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