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    Craven generator

    Hi,can an early craven GV be run with later coaches?

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    Basic answer is no not in passenger service But mixed stock cravens with Mk l Gen & Mkll's have been noted mostly on empty stock movement's from various locations to Inchicore.
    Some time being triped on the back of passenger trains with the corridor connections and coach doors locked off.

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    Thanks for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    Hi,can an early craven GV be run with later coaches?
    Can you clarify what you're referring to? I wasn't aware of Craven/CIE-built GSVs?
    Thanks in advance
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    Cravens didn't do any vans at all - the vans that ran with them were originally six wheeled " hot water bottles", then after late 60s the "Dutch Vans" and ex-BR Mk 1 "genny vans". All three of these types also worked with other stock other than Mk 2 or Mk 3, which had their own vans.

    Cravens also worked with laminate conversion brake generator standards.

    Cravens and other non air conditioned types never ran in service with "supertrain" types, though a very small number of instances of older types being towed out of service behind a Mk 2 (but not Mk 3) set did occur.
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    Cravens and other non air conditioned types never ran in service with "supertrain" types, though a very small number of instances of older types being towed out of service behind a Mk 2 (but not Mk 3) set did occur.[/QUOTE]

    This reminded me of a trip I made on the early morning (I think about 6am at Limerick Junction) Cork to Dublin in June 2003. The set normally compose of Mark 2 Air conditioned stock had a Cravens at the head end . It was in use, you can see the windows on the doors are open. A couple of 'stills' from my video
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishs...in/dateposted/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishs...n/photostream/

    Ernie

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    nice find, i think theres a photo on eire trains site with
    cravens mixed with mark 2 galways and others.

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    Absolutely brilliant, Ernie, a great find.

    Such instances were exceptionally rare indeed.

    In terms of generators, such trains had the converted Dutch vans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhb171achill View Post
    In terms of generators, such trains had the converted Dutch vans.
    Three Dutch vans were rebuilt to run with the ex-BR Mk2A rakes of the early 1990s. The original builds could run with any vacuum braked stock such as the Mk2D Aircon stock
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    I would suggest that it is highly unlikely that the Cravens coaches shown in the trains of Mk 2 AC coaches earlier would have been in service. Although both types of coaches are vacuum braked and could run together, from a passenger point of view, the gangways on the Cravens are totally incompatible with the Mk 2s. The Cravens are steam heated, so there would have been no heat available, and the electrical systems are probably not compatible either.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiveController View Post
    Three Dutch vans were rebuilt to run with the ex-BR Mk2A rakes of the early 1990s. The original builds could run with any vacuum braked stock such as the Mk2D Aircon stock
    The original Dutch vans could run 'out of service' in a train of Mk 2 AC stock but, like the Cravens, their gangways were incompatible, and their electrical systems were not suitable for running air conditioning.
    The three rebuilt Dutch vans were only suitable for use with the Ex BR Mk 2a & 2b coaches obtained secondhand in 1990/91, as these coaches, unlike any other IR coaches apart from Mk 3s, were air braked, and their electrical systems totally different to any other IR coaches.

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