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Thread: GSR / CIE Wagon Liveries

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    Thanks again! By the way, does your name have any bearing as to where you're from? Only reason I ask is because my family is from Westport...

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    John - I'm not a "covie"!, but I have a lot of friends etc out in Westport / Newport / Mulrany / Achill and have spent a great deal of time there over the years. PM me some time... lovely spot out there.

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    Wagon number suffixes; gather that ex GN wagons carried an 'N', presume all ex MGW had an 'M', ex CBSC had a 'B', DSE had a 'D', ex Macroom Direct 'R', ex T & Courtmac 'J' and GSW/GSR/CIE generally didn't have a suffix....was that observed religiously or were there oddball suffixes?

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    I managed to miss this thread until now. More excellent information. Thanks.

    Alan

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    Anything without a suffix was GSWR origin, or built new by the GSR or CIE. Oddball ones were more along the lines of those you mention, Minister. Nothing of GSWR origin acquired a suffix while in traffic, but if withdrawn and placed into departmental service, both GSWR and "suffixed" stock (of other companies) would have acquired an "A" suffix and also a completely new number. Thus, for a fictitious example, we might have GSWR coach no. 123, DSER coach no. 17 and ex-MGWR coach 42. After 1925, 123 stays as 123, while 42 becomes 42M. DSER 17 is now 17D.

    Fast forward to 1959 and all three are withdrawn. The first two are stripped of seats and made into tool vans. A month previously, some other PW vehicle has been numbered 200A. Now, 123 and 42M become 201A and 202A.

    Later, Inchicore builds another gadget, numbering it 203A, and then they decide they want the old DSER 17D as well. So it becomes 204A.

    If you look at several preserved vehicles, most notably the two MGWR six wheelers on the DCDR, or the one at Clifden, or the one at Whitehead, all bore "A" numbers prior to rescue. Along with many other (very well built) MGWR 6-wheelers, they entered departmental service in the late 50s / early 60s and the "A" numbers they now have bear no relation to the originals.

    One of the DCDR's stalwarts (an observer of these boards!) has an encyclopaedic knowledge of CIE numbering and can always be relied to to tell us what 486A was, etc.

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    Does anybody know what colours the ex GN 12 ton vans wore on CIE in the 60's and 70's? I remember them painted brown with the CIE roundal but wonder if any were grey or had the flying snail.

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    Patrick, they were indeed. Grey with snail initially, later brown with roundel.

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    JHB, has your new book come out yet? I think I recall you saying you hoped it would be done for Christmas. Or maybe it was that I was hoping to get it for Christmas ... Thanks again for all the above guidance.

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    Cg, it's scheduled for next summer now as Colourpoint have three other Irish titles due shortly!

    I've made a start on what will be the next one after that too.

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    Cg, it's scheduled for next summer now as Colourpoint have three other Irish titles due shortly!

    I've made a start on what will be the next one after that too.
    Excellent!

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